well my friend now you are talking right...to some extent.
As you still doubt that its not MF hussains perception but of some sri ram sena neta's.
proof for that is :
MF hussain apologized N no. of time and repeated the mistake N+1 times..
his final words after fleeing india clearly depict his so called love for this country and its sentiments.
Its not about MF hussain alone and his mis deeds, its about being sarcastical and critical towards the sentiments of mass.
take example of STANIC verses by rushdie...I do not enjoy it as a human being..and think it's pointless and just a crime to play around with sentiments of the mass through usage of freedom expression.
In any culture there are loopholes..does that mean to twist the tale in your opinion....
till what time we indians will tolerate this. I do not see any wrong in protesting to such expressions in any ways and support the opponents of Hussain and rushdie equally.
There is a lot more in the world to make art out of it..no one should play tricky to get cheap publicity by hurting masses emotions by going cheap in art and crying the status of ancient art and sculpture to support their mis deeds.
AS A INDIAN I WILL AND EVERYONE SHOULD PROTEST IN ANY FORM WHAT SOEVER TO SUCH ACTS, BE IT AGAINST ANY RELEGION.
Friday, March 26, 2010
observer continues
couldn't resist from replying. TGIF and no work :-)
what r u pissed at? is it the man painiting nude of Hindu Godedss or the man not painting nude pics of his mother/sister? or just want to argue? what will saitsfy you? His apology or his nude pics of mother/sister/prophet? He has already apologised to world for paintings. But u can argue that even Galelio and Leonardo da vinci has to apologize to Church for Saying that Sun is centre of Universe and not the earth but didn't mean the apology.
btw i have seen durga riding in nude position and sarswati to play veena in nude position to teach the world. But first tell me, which old scriptures have u read and could not find these or where you looked for sculptures. If I provide these will you advocate for M.F.Husain with the same aggression.
I agree that the perception you are talking about and explained in text is very skewed/twisted. But I highly doubt it belongs to M.F.Husain. I guess that twisted perception is of the 1st person who started this chain mail and gone on length to create it
what r u pissed at? is it the man painiting nude of Hindu Godedss or the man not painting nude pics of his mother/sister? or just want to argue? what will saitsfy you? His apology or his nude pics of mother/sister/prophet? He has already apologised to world for paintings. But u can argue that even Galelio and Leonardo da vinci has to apologize to Church for Saying that Sun is centre of Universe and not the earth but didn't mean the apology.
btw i have seen durga riding in nude position and sarswati to play veena in nude position to teach the world. But first tell me, which old scriptures have u read and could not find these or where you looked for sculptures. If I provide these will you advocate for M.F.Husain with the same aggression.
I agree that the perception you are talking about and explained in text is very skewed/twisted. But I highly doubt it belongs to M.F.Husain. I guess that twisted perception is of the 1st person who started this chain mail and gone on length to create it
here the observer has smthing more to say
And the never ending battle continues:-)I have read some abt hinduism than any other topics mentioned here so will comment on that.. Well I have seen pictures of nude God/Goddess all over be it Krishna/Shiva/Vishnu/ and read the description of sex and sexual parts. I can vouch that it was not kamasutra or mastrama but purana/ramayana. Please read "A wonder that was India written during 40's or any old paintings of Krishna which is abundant everywhere.How one inerprates the picture depends on them. I see Durga riding and not f****ing a tiger. Ganesha was born from Parvathi body dirt and oils. May be it is a Mother and son relationship shown or his birth.Two Mythology stroies in short: Bhrigu went to see Shiva. Shiva preferred lovemaking to Parvathi and kept him waiting. Bhrigu cursed his linga to fall. Other gods pacified him by telling that it will be worshipped all over and signify everything you told.Second one - Shiva carried Sati dead body and was on world tour in anger. Visnu cut her body using chakra to pacify him. Temples were erected on different sites where sati parts fell. "Yoni" fell in Kamakhya.I don't see any symbolism in these stories but a direct reference to penis and vagina
comments by an observer( just posting on his behalf)
If u wanted to judge myself, u should have sent me the pictures only and not the texts to read. Should I judge this form artist point of view or as a Hindu?
I don't know anything of art or anybody whom I can forward this mail. Anyways I haven't heard of any painter/artist who has criticized these paintings.
Again these paintings are of 70s. How it became so offensive 25 years later?
As a Hindu, if I want to be offensive then should I destroy Khajurao and Konark Sun temple for having nude sculptures? What abt Kamakhya temple, Guwahati where "Yoni" of Sati/Parvathi is worshiped? Should we destroy all Shiva temples for having "Ling" inside them?
When does Hindu religion have problem with nudity/sex? All the temples built in India before muslim era have nude/topless sculptures. Some of the oldest/finest art can still be seen in Ajanta/Ellora. Hindu religion is far more liberal when it comes to nudity or sex. We are not like Christianity or Islam where Sex is not considered pure and is a taboo for Gods. Their goddess has to be virgin to give birth to a God. Women were considered born from Men and are never equal to them.
Whereas most Hindu ancient texts and epics like Purana, Ramayana and Mahabharata consists of vivid description of sex and sexual description among Gods e.g. Shiva:Parvati, Rama:Sita, Krishna:only-He-knows-how-many. You want me to be up-in-arms against this.
May be this guy (M.F.Husain) who used to paint pictures of Ramayana and Mahabharata in temples for living, knows more about our religion than us and is depicting our religion in most true and pure form
I don't know anything of art or anybody whom I can forward this mail. Anyways I haven't heard of any painter/artist who has criticized these paintings.
Again these paintings are of 70s. How it became so offensive 25 years later?
As a Hindu, if I want to be offensive then should I destroy Khajurao and Konark Sun temple for having nude sculptures? What abt Kamakhya temple, Guwahati where "Yoni" of Sati/Parvathi is worshiped? Should we destroy all Shiva temples for having "Ling" inside them?
When does Hindu religion have problem with nudity/sex? All the temples built in India before muslim era have nude/topless sculptures. Some of the oldest/finest art can still be seen in Ajanta/Ellora. Hindu religion is far more liberal when it comes to nudity or sex. We are not like Christianity or Islam where Sex is not considered pure and is a taboo for Gods. Their goddess has to be virgin to give birth to a God. Women were considered born from Men and are never equal to them.
Whereas most Hindu ancient texts and epics like Purana, Ramayana and Mahabharata consists of vivid description of sex and sexual description among Gods e.g. Shiva:Parvati, Rama:Sita, Krishna:only-He-knows-how-many. You want me to be up-in-arms against this.
May be this guy (M.F.Husain) who used to paint pictures of Ramayana and Mahabharata in temples for living, knows more about our religion than us and is depicting our religion in most true and pure form
Judge yourself......................please read and see the picture
If a person dresses like a Sikh Guru, thousands of Sikhs gather and destroy their establishments , threaten to kill him, announce a bounty on his head - Sikhs are not criticised for being communal and intolerant,
If a Danish journalist depicts the Prophet of the Muslims , Muslims all over the world rise in anger, there is violence, a booty on the head of the Journalist - Muslims are not criticised for being communal and intolerant,
If MF Hussain draws paintings depciting Hindu Gods and Goddesses ######### positions (which relations are not borne out by ancient texts at all ) and Hindus merely protest , they are called communal, intolerant and taught lessons in secularism by one and all.
The problem apparently is not with Sikhs and Muslims, it is with Hindus , because we are not violent, we accept what ever is dished out to us , we do not have the guts to say that this is wrong , we seek acceptance from outsiders rather than from our conscience. We worship the same GOds and Godesses but dont stand up for them when the time comes.
Be a judge yourself of Hussain ' s paintings below.
Goddess Durga ######### union with Tiger
Prophet ' s Daughter Fatima fully clothed
Goddess Lakshmi naked on Shree Ganesh ' s head
M.F. Hussain ' s Mother fully clothed
Naked Saraswati
Mother Teresa fully clothed
Naked Shri Parvati
Hussain ' s Daughter well clothed
Naked Draupadi.
Well cloth! ed Muslim Lady.
Naked Lord Hanuman and Goddess Sita sitting on thigh of Ravana
Muslim poets Faiz, Galib are shown well-! clothed
Full Clad Muslim King and naked Hindu Brahmin. The above painting clearly indicates Hussain ' s tendency to paint any Hindu as naked and thus his hatred..
Naked Bharatmata - Hussain has shown naked woman with names of states written on different parts of her body. He has used Ashok Chakra, Tri-colour in the painting. By doing this he has violated law & hurt National Pride of Indians. Both these things should be of grave concern to every Indian irrespective of his religion.
!
Out of the four leaders M. Gandhi is decapitated and Hitler is naked. Hussain hates Hitler and has said in an interview 8 years ago that he has depicted Hitler naked to humiliate him and as he deserves it ! How come Hitler ' s nudity cause humiliation when in Hussain ' s own statement nudity in art depicts purity and is in fact an honour ! This shows Hussain ' s perversion and hypocrisy.
Don ' t feel shy to circulate. Atleast 10 people should know,
'HOW COWARD WE HINDUS ARE' WE DON'T HAVE COURAGE TO PROTECT OUR SELF RESPECT.

If a person dresses like a Sikh Guru, thousands of Sikhs gather and destroy their establishments , threaten to kill him, announce a bounty on his head - Sikhs are not criticised for being communal and intolerant,
If a Danish journalist depicts the Prophet of the Muslims , Muslims all over the world rise in anger, there is violence, a booty on the head of the Journalist - Muslims are not criticised for being communal and intolerant,
If MF Hussain draws paintings depciting Hindu Gods and Goddesses ######### positions (which relations are not borne out by ancient texts at all ) and Hindus merely protest , they are called communal, intolerant and taught lessons in secularism by one and all.
The problem apparently is not with Sikhs and Muslims, it is with Hindus , because we are not violent, we accept what ever is dished out to us , we do not have the guts to say that this is wrong , we seek acceptance from outsiders rather than from our conscience. We worship the same GOds and Godesses but dont stand up for them when the time comes.
Be a judge yourself of Hussain ' s paintings below.
Goddess Durga ######### union with Tiger
Prophet ' s Daughter Fatima fully clothed
Goddess Lakshmi naked on Shree Ganesh ' s head
M.F. Hussain ' s Mother fully clothed
Naked Saraswati
Mother Teresa fully clothed
Naked Shri Parvati
Hussain ' s Daughter well clothed
Naked Draupadi.
Well cloth! ed Muslim Lady.
Naked Lord Hanuman and Goddess Sita sitting on thigh of Ravana
Muslim poets Faiz, Galib are shown well-! clothed
Full Clad Muslim King and naked Hindu Brahmin. The above painting clearly indicates Hussain ' s tendency to paint any Hindu as naked and thus his hatred..
Naked Bharatmata - Hussain has shown naked woman with names of states written on different parts of her body. He has used Ashok Chakra, Tri-colour in the painting. By doing this he has violated law & hurt National Pride of Indians. Both these things should be of grave concern to every Indian irrespective of his religion.
!
Out of the four leaders M. Gandhi is decapitated and Hitler is naked. Hussain hates Hitler and has said in an interview 8 years ago that he has depicted Hitler naked to humiliate him and as he deserves it ! How come Hitler ' s nudity cause humiliation when in Hussain ' s own statement nudity in art depicts purity and is in fact an honour ! This shows Hussain ' s perversion and hypocrisy.
Don ' t feel shy to circulate. Atleast 10 people should know,
'HOW COWARD WE HINDUS ARE' WE DON'T HAVE COURAGE TO PROTECT OUR SELF RESPECT.

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